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Roy Hargrove on Tradition vs. Innovation

September 8th, 2011

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What do you think?

2 Responses to “Roy Hargrove on Tradition vs. Innovation”

  1. Bill Plake

    Well certainly it’s important to understand and absorb the tradition before us, but Mr. Hargrove talks about innovators as if they are all one huge, similarly thinking mass. He keeps going back to Charlie Parker, Bud Powell, et. al., as examples to emulate. These were musicians who were clearly not trying to re-create a tradition. In fact, it could be argued that they were consciously pushing against it. They were the avant-garde of their generation. There’s a balance between absorbing and understanding a tradition on the one hand , and simply defaulting back to becoming a stylist within that tradition, on the other hand. One is not better nor worse than the other in my opinion. It’s just a reflection of an artist’s inclinations and inspirations. But let’s keep in mind that a considerable portion of the music we love from jazz today, that we write about, analyze, and expand upon, came from innovators, not stylists.

  2. admin

    @Bill – Yes, the architects of Bebop; Parker, Powell, Gillespie, et al, weren’t trying to recreate a tradition. They had already achieved the capacity to recreate the swing tradition and were extending that tradition.

    In my opinion, innovation frequently comes from those who strive to master a previous tradition and for whatever reason go a different direction. The reasons for their departure are many, and among them are; misunderstanding (in which camp I place Ornette Coleman), boredom (in which camp I place most of the Bebop innovators), and “show business” considerations (in which camp Max Roach has placed some of the Bebop innovators [I’ll provide a link in the near future].

    I understood Hargrove to mean that innovation is based on an attempt to understand the music that preceded – as opposed to “rootless” innovation for the sake of being “fresh.”

    In any event, thanks for your thoughtful comment and best wishes to ya!

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